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info if you thinking of buying a Ringneck/Alexandrine?
Last Post 05-08-2011 03:49 PM by cosmosgirl. 9 Replies.
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25-01-2010 06:09 PM

birdliners please examine and criticise as a 'sticky' i will amend (or delete) as required

 

For anyone thinking of buying/adopting a 'ring necked parakeet' - see the Asiatic Parakeet post on Birdline at http://www.parrot-rescue.org.uk/For...px to determine what type of bird you are buying....

 

then...

 

urgently read http://www.parrot-rescue.org.uk/Inf...fault.aspx

 

Following that,

 

The rest of this post is written by an enthusiast.  It should  trigger thought and consideration but should not be seen a definitive reference (from experience you will not find this on the internet).  Ask questions on the Birdline forums and some very experienced people can provide more specific advice.  Most of what follows applies to either:

 

ALEXANDRINE V INDIAN RINGNECK (IRN) ( the most popular breeds)

 

The Alexandrine is bulkier and has a massive beak & characteristic purple patch on the wing from first feathers.  Countless images on the internet, the breeds are easily distinguishable at every age.  For birds without rings:

 

0-3MTHS

The male and female birds can only de distinguished by expert eye or medical test.  They look the same until the age of 2-3yrs at which point male coloured rings form...the 'ringneck' (more to follow):

The bird should look relatively shabby... his feathers are developing. 

His eyes will be mostly black, although you will see on close inspection that the white parts of his eyes are forming.  This is important... this is a geniuinely 'baby bird' with plenty of bonding left in him.  (VERY young birds will have 'shark eyes' - totally black)

Oodie Aged 3 months

 

 

 

AGE 3-12MTHS

Assuming you are in a pet shop, the bird is going through his formative months in the worst possible conditions.  Over this period the 'white of his eyes'  will begin to clear, providing the best age indication.  At this point you need to be very careful of 'proving' how old the bird is and where he came from

Oodie aged 9 months

 

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AGE 12-24 MTHS

 

Both the male and female birds are near identical.  They will look similar to the photo above.  

 

AGE 24...36MTHS

 

At some point the male ringnecks will moult and then display the characteristic neck ring.

 

Key Points

 

If you see the neck ring, you are looking at a male at least  2-3yrs old, possibly up to 30-40yrs old.

 

 

 

If you see "clear eyes" you are eithe looking at a male aged 12-24ish months or a female 12mths to 40 YEARS!

Clear eyes.  These have an almost luminous appearance in normal light.  Note that this bird is 'pinning' its eyes slightly.

 

Females have a slighlty different body shape, head shape and their feathers are slightly less 'vibrant' to a pro.  The pictures below are of a male and female of the same sub-species (Nepalese)

 

Above is female.  Clean neck (almost a grey stripe where feathers meet).  "Matt" pea green feathers.

 

Above is male.  More vibrant, almost metallic colours, head shape slightly more 'Neanderthal Man'.  The faint neck ring is probably an oddity of the species.  This bird does not have his adult 'ring' yet (it's about 12mths away).

 

If the bird is older than 3 months, the quality of his upbringing is criticial.  An established bird with 'white eyes' should be hand friendly (few IRN/Alexandrines appear to like being cuddled, they prefer their space), if not he is at best a difficult proposition, at worst an aviary bird. 

 

Be wary of a bird who has recently had a wing clip which appears 'tame'.  The bird is may be wild but petrified and will sit on the finger due to 'shock and awe'.

 

Ringnecks & Alexandrines are not as 'clever' as Greys, Too's or Macaws and you will not be dumbfounded by suprising ingenuity.  They talk beautifully and will deeply bond with humans.  Although they eat a similar diet to big parrots, they are quiet(ish) and low maintenance.  Indian Ringnecks (IRN) are frenetic and huge fun.  Alexandrines are a bit dopey, easier to manage but their HUGE tails require huge cages.

 

If you are new to parrots and contemplating an IRN, Alexandrine or a Grey/Too/Macaw I would ask you to post your circumstances in an enquiry post to the main forum.  You will be given superb advice; all of these birds are a jaw-dropping amount of care and maintenance and it doesnt hurt to be over cautious.

 

Birdline occassionally has Alexandrines and Indian Ringnecks which require rehoming.  Many of thie birds are exceptionally well suited to this due to their friendly, low maintenance nature.  Become a full member today and let the Birdline Team know who you are!

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27-07-2011 12:17 PM

This is really good information, (although I cant open the first link)I am currently torn between an Afrian Grey and a Alexandrine. I have been visiting a local pet store (I wont purchase from them, as I dont think they are very good with their birds) and they have two greys and and Alexandrine. They are all very beautiful and friendly towards me when I stroke them.
Which would I be better off homing if I have only a small amount of experience, I have had buggies, cockatiels, and kakarikis.
I would very much love to own a macaw however I really dont think I have the time to give to one of those magnificent animals.

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27-07-2011 06:47 PM
How much time do you have then Peter? I have no first hand experience of Macaws, though I know a woman that does! but believe me, CAGs need plenty of time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And from what I remember of Ian, Oodie's owner, Oodie did too!

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27-07-2011 07:25 PM
its something to think about ....macaws need alot of interation but so does greys and other birds, i have a macaw here that craves his attention but the greys and pionus i have crave it more, you need to look at which bird would suit your family life and working hours etc and take it from there, lots of people here to help with advise if you need it
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27-07-2011 08:22 PM
All birds regardless of species need time and lots of it to build and maintain their strong bonds. I have a tiny Nanday conure here who is higher maintenance in terms of my time than half the rest of the flock added together. Wherever I am, he is on me, running after me, calling me (loud and horrible noise). My guys seem not to be true to their species and some will happily amuse themselves when they are out, others are in to everything and if you are not watching/cuddling they will be chomping on something they shouldn't!!

I've had a lot of different type of pets during my life and without doubt, my feathered babies are without doubt the most time consuming and 'difficult' I have had. I haven't had a holiday with my husband for years as unlike my dogs/cats/hamsters et al previously, haven't yet found someone that will look after my gang and put up with them and all that they stand for.

Being owned by a parrot is not for the faint hearted and takes a commitment like no other.

As for me, I'm mad enough to have made the commitment and even though I really want 5 mins me time having just got in from a rubbish day at work, hubby has them all ined up waiting for time with their Mum, you can't switch them off or ignore them, they are constant and I love them!!

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27-07-2011 09:57 PM
It is a while off as I want to research all breeds and what I can really offer them, I am mature enough to know that all birds require a lot of time and attention and that my current work routine would need to be changed as I work 12 hour shifts 15 days each month. My partner is at work 9 hours each day also, so I know that any bird would get too lonely (even with my 2 crazy dogs to chat to). I am not bothered if my new family member every talks, I love the way both breeds make little noises, as long as he or she likes a little cuddle, and some strokes, I will be very happy to give a bird a home.

It would be like having a child to have any type of parrot, so I wont be jumping into anything, it will be well thought out...

Thank you all though for your messages. I will be asking a lot of questions from a lot of people before I make a final decision.

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28-07-2011 06:05 PM
Well done Peter, research is definitely worth the effort and on this forum you will find someone with lots and lots of experience with all specieis if you want to know the 'real' story.

As for me, well I'm not a big fan of greys but show me a lovebird and I'll go weak at the knees, I just love them but them I'm a soft touch and currently have 12 here at the mo ranging from a canary through to a too.

Good luck!!

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28-07-2011 07:17 PM
I LOVE Greys, well those and the little ones, particularly tiels. I agree with what's been said above, but would like to add that if you are out most of the day, one bird can get lonely. It might worth be considering getting 2 birds of a particular species, as long as they like each other, they can keep each other company. I'm not suggesting a mating pair or anything, just companiona. Our 2 BL Foster CAGs took some time to develop their friendship but now they cover for each other when they're up to mischief and even feed each other. (They are both supposedly DNA'd male.)
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28-07-2011 07:32 PM
peter, we have an alexandrine-
we too did a lot of research after looking after a cockatoo for a short time - he was a dream.
He - we are told is 4 yrs old- we have no way of checking this but he has his black ring and talks a small amount and is picking up more so could be about right.
He is let out morning and evening and has my hubby home all day. he's ok to pop out for a short time but we always leave some music on-
he's bonded to me but will go to other family members which was important should I not be available for any reason I also work fulltime.
He will step up but on his terms - he's not cuddly but allows the occasional strokes and does demand a certain amount of attention but is not as loud as some other parrots. he has never bitten anyone not even in fear and believe me he can bite through metal rings. he goes through a lot of wooden toys and we make a lot to keep him occupied. His cage is as large as a grey/cockatoo but wider as he likes walking across areas rather than using his beak.
he is a delight and we wouldn't be without him . he recently stayed with a very experienced bird owner - macaws. cockatoos, greys and caique and she said she didn't know she had him as he was no trouble so I personally believe they are less maintenance - perhaps less needy but then less cuddly. so it depends on how much time you have and how much you can realistically give to a bird.
Once you have one they are a joy but you can never go out your front door without considering their needs.
Hope this help - just my personal opinion and I am sure there are more experienced people than me to discuss this with further.
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05-08-2011 03:49 PM
I found this really interesting and helpful, thanks
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