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| 27-08-2011 01:31 AM |
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Hi everyone,
I have been reading a book from 2004 all about African Greys. Anyway in this book it talks about hazards and it mentions that all non stick products like plates on irons, baking trays, pans, breadmaker tins, some lamps, griddles and many other items are suppose to be a serious danger for greys. when using it gives off a colourless/odourless fume really harmful to greys, the lady says to get rid of all and go back to good old stainless steel.
Has anyone ever heard of this? I couldn't believe this when I read it. If anyone has heard of this have they changed all their products? This lady writes like it doesn't matter where your grey is in the house it is fatal.
Just thought I would share this info
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| 27-08-2011 01:49 AM |
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Yes it is all teflon that is dangerous, and yes it is fatal (to all birds not just greys). I never use teflon products around birds and there have been may many cases od deaths due to this. |
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| 27-08-2011 01:54 AM |
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I am astonished that your ACO hasn't told you about Teflon... When it becomes overheated it produces a chemical which is harmless to humans, but very dangerous for birds. Safest is not to have Teflon (or any non-stick coating) but in my house I always have the extractor fan that's over the hob switched on, and I cook at a lower temperature. There's a long, long list of dangers for birds. Do you know about scented candles and air fresheners, etc.?
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| 27-08-2011 02:12 AM |
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I changed almost al my pots and pans to stainless steel, BUT occasionally I need to use a non stick pan. The doors are all closed between the kitchen and the birdies, extractor fan on and all windows and doors open in the kitchen when I do. (And I make sure I cook on low temperatures) As Doddie says, the list is LONG of potentially fatal things for your bird. I know that Doddie has a very good list that maybe you can ask for to get emailed to you? This is also very helpful: http://www.africangreyparrotcentre....-articles/ |
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| 27-08-2011 03:59 AM |
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Yep,no teflon in my house either- I have even given up ironing!!!!! Not that I needed much of an excuse,I hate ironing.I live in a house were I am Mum to boys old enough to iron and a wife and simply stated all ironing was to be done by the wearer-so no ironing is done. Easy. I do miss my sented candles,they covered a mulitude of sins but hey it's a small sacrifice, also room scenters ect the list is long and I do suggest you ask your ACO,or Doddie to email you a list. Doddie had a very good list she will email you I'm sure. All her safehouses and fosterers get it in her beginners pack. |
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| 27-08-2011 04:01 AM |
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There was a case not long ago where 5 budgies, i think it was 5, all died after inhaling fumes from the kitchen generated from Teflon coated oven or pan. Very sad story but one that keeps repeating itself.
A birds respiritory tract can't cope with toxins, gases and smoke. They used Canaries to detect toxic gases in coal mines for years, if the bird died it was safe to assume you had to evacuate rather sharpish.
What i'm getting at is you can't detect the gases and toxins yourself as the human lung is much more sophisticated than a bird's lung, the first you will know is when your bird falls off it's perch and dies, unless you can give 100% oxygen straight away you have very little if any chance of the bird recovering, even if you get your bird into fresh air outside this will not be sufficient in almost all advanced cases.
If your bird shows any signs of respiritory distress while cooking you must contact an avien vet straight away stating if it occured while you where cooking with teflon coated products. |
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| 27-08-2011 05:49 AM |
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Hi Guys thanks for all your advice. Please don't worry at the moment I don't have any birds/parrots, I am in the process of waiting to have a visit from an ACO for a homecheck.
For the past few months I have been reading everything I can possibily find on caring for African greys. But I found it astonishing in all this time I had only came across this danger in this book yesterday and not seen this anywhere else before, maybe I missed it along the way.
Well I have had my pans for as long as I can remember so it is time I got new ones, so its back to scubbing stainless steel pans lol.
Can I iron upstairs??? with all the doors shut.
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| 27-08-2011 07:05 AM |
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Iron? Not sure what this is. Something to do with golf??
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| 27-08-2011 07:51 AM |
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Sorry, don't know Chris, not something that gets used in my house! |
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| 27-08-2011 08:17 AM |
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You can iron, well away from your birds, with doors closed between. I HAVE to iron - being a professional I am expected to be tidy for work and if I suggested that I didn't iron my clothes my boss wouldn't be impressed.
I iron in an upstairs room, away from the flock, watching the telly. As an extra safeguard, you can use it on a cooler setting and open the window to ensure any fumes escape.
You need to be careful with hair straighteners, hair dryers and the like too. |
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| 27-08-2011 12:05 PM |
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Aw thanks everyone, he he I have my extra reading from Doddie too, thank you for that, the more the merrier.
Hi Kerry, yes I have read the whole book, and decided to re-read some sections that I thought whoa lol. But getting there, I must have looked mad sitting in a mad circus, sorry children's play centre lol. CAN NOT WAIT FOR SCHOOL TO START lol. not that I am counting.
And as for ironing, what a shame I can still iron upstairs, thought I may have been able to total knock that idea on the head lol. It's amazing what Teflon is in, but glad I know now, will share with a couple of friends as they don't know.
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| 27-08-2011 12:18 PM |
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Have a look in Lakeland, I have a fantastic teflon free non stick frying pan from there,not sure if they do saucepans.
I work in a senior school as an HLTA so I also need to be tidy for work . I hang all clothes carefully after washing and choose materials that don't need ironing! Helen,where there's a will there's a way... I always look tidy for work,but live in jeans outside of work. Doddie,you wouldn't recognise me at work!LOL |
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| 28-08-2011 12:38 AM |
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Hi Nick
i didn't know about teflon till i starting reading parrot books & forums, it's quite amazing what it is in, x |
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| 28-08-2011 12:42 PM |
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I know sue, I told my father in law today he was suprised, he has had budgies for years, luckily they are outdoor birds so they are safe in that sense. I am gutted I have just bought myself a nice scented aroma therapy stick thing, well will make a nice xmas pressie lol |
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| 28-08-2011 12:49 PM |
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I had budgies for years n never new!! now i wonder if it was my fault he went!! he died of a stroke! aged 8!! x |
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| 28-08-2011 01:06 PM |
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Just a thought for all those on here that have children at school. Most of the school uniform is now teflon coated  . Does this mean that the birds cannot get near to them whilst they are wearing their school uniform? Thanks |
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| 28-08-2011 01:07 PM |
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thats what I said to my F-I-L, they used to keep them in doors. I also found out that calcuim has a big role in a parrots health, too little esp in AG can cause seizures. I am so looking forward to being a foster mummy, just have to wait to have a home check. If all goes okay with that and once off the rehoming list I will post pics. Can't believe it is all happening Sue, was only a few weeks ago we were live chatting. Not long until your holiday and then you are ready to go. Oh I like your toy stand lol, good idea |
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| 28-08-2011 03:34 PM |
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Teflon only gives off fumes when heated. So, children in their school uniforms are perfectly safe for birds. It's the stuff with heating elements that are dangerous - hair dryers, irons, hair tongs, convector heaters, non-stick saucepans and the like. In fact teflon is incorporated into a lot of fabric these days, such as table cloths and trousers. |
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| 29-08-2011 01:18 AM |
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thanks Nick not long now just under two weeks, my cage should be here this week sometime, next weekend we will be rearranging the front room so will all be set when we get home. Oh i bet you are ecited look forward to seeing the piccies of your new house guest, will keep my fingers crossed for you, x |
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