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| 30-12-2011 06:27 AM |
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Hello every one - I am Zurie a 10 year old female African Grey with great manners! My flock are going away for a while and I need a friendly home to look after me. My flock say they will return the favour with compensation. Please call us on 01308-862963 or 07831-496598. We live in the Beaminster Area but are prepared to travel with my travel cage or even bring my bigger day cage!
I was booked into a very nice Birdline members home but his birds have just been diagnosed with psittacosis and I do not want to catch it as well.
I look forward to hearing from someone soon!!
My flocks name is Peter and Julia Roberts (The real one!)
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| 30-12-2011 07:41 AM |
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I will pm you the details of a friend in Teignmouth who does this through the winter for a small charge or if you use the search function on here and look for Miku you should find her. Most of us have just had some training about diseases like this and your friends birds should be fine once they get the right treatment. Luckily all the BL birds are seen by an excellent vet. |
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Peter
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| 30-12-2011 10:08 AM |
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Thanks very much Sharon - I will look up Miku's contact details and see wat se says. Peter |
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Mel
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| 30-12-2011 10:19 AM |
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If people had attended the training they would know that one blood test will not confirm pssitacosis. If you contact the person I am guessing you will find that they are having to collect fecal samples for 5 days, the person in question has contacted us today saying he had had his bird at the vets yesterday !
It is impossible to say the bird has pssitacosis in 24 hours!. If the person has taken the bird to an avian vet this is the advice they would have been given by the vet to collect the samples.
People who have birds should know about bird diseases and will then know that psittacosis is treatable.
Looks like certain people are trying to cause problems again.
Please members do not believe all you hear!
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Sheila Downes
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| 30-12-2011 10:31 AM |
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I will echo what Mel had said, if you have been to the training you would know about psittacosis or chlamydiophilla as it is now known a PCR test OR a fecal test needs to be done and these take time to do PCR at least 7 days Poo test involves collecting poo for 5 days then tests fgor 7 days so no bird can be confirmed with Psittacosis for that time.. also again if you had attewnded the training you would know that most birds can have this or carry this. If you dont want psiitacosis.................................. dont have a bird they can all carry it!.................. IT IS TREATABLE!!!! SO STOP WORRYING!!!!
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Ann Conway
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| 30-12-2011 11:37 AM |
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I also agree totally with Mel and Sheila. What they have both said is absolutely correct. People panic without having a full understanding of the facts. Sheila covered all these deseases at the recent training days, signs, symptoms,incubation periods, tests and treatments. Its just a pity that a lot more people didnt attend, as it was extremely valuable and useful information. As Sheila says, IF YOU DONT WANT PSITTACOSIS,dont keep birds. We all have cancer inside us laying dormant, not everyone will get it. Same with Psittacosis in birds, and other strains of it in cats, sheep,goats, cattle, etc. If you want to eliminate all risks just dont keep pets, because there are risks involved with most things.
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Helen W
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| 30-12-2011 11:49 AM |
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Can I just say that Peter wasn't suggesting that he was worried about personally getting Psittacosis, but that he didn't want to unnecessarily expose Zurie to a household that may have birds with active Chlamydia Psittaci. It seems that he is just being sensible, not trying to start a hot debate. And he isn't even a BL Member, so wouldn't have had the opportunity to attend the training day in his area. And Ann, I know you are trying to make a point, but I'm afraid I take issue with this claim. "We all have cancer inside us laying dormant, not everyone will get it." That isn't true, what I think you mean is that we all have the potential to produce cancerous cells but not all of us develop cancer.
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| 30-12-2011 11:52 AM |
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I can only echo and support what as already been said. Paul |
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| 30-12-2011 12:01 PM |
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As far as i understood it, ANYONE was invited to the training days. Member, safehouse, ACO and anyone interested, member or not? I may have got it wrong though? |
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| 30-12-2011 12:26 PM |
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They may have been welcome to attend, but the details were only on the Members Area of the forum and sent to SHs, ACOs and Members. Peter only shows as a 'Registered User' for the forum, so only has access to non-members area posts and announcements. |
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| 30-12-2011 12:33 PM |
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| 30-12-2011 12:41 PM |
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I think the training was a difficult one to call numbers wise, and initially the main target was ACO and safehouse people. I would expect the one requirement being that persons attending were from a member household (I may be wrong, but think that is quite reasonable). I am sure no person in this category was turned away, and I would be surprised if anyone expressing an interest had been.
For example as soon as the training details were published I let it be known that I would like to attend. As it turned out, there was plenty of space, and I went along for the afternoon session which was based around diseases. (the food was pretty good!!!!, sorry VERY good).
Its heartening to hear people expressing an interest in finding out more about diseases, but to an extent we have to all take responsibility for educating ourselves, and taking advantage of opportunities when they become available.
Peter good luck with finding the holiday home, I feel sure that even if Olga (Miku) can't help someone else will be able to.
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Di
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| 30-12-2011 12:46 PM |
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Please. There is plenty of information without having to attend training days. It is clear that some people are panicking without facts. whatever the outcome of the tests, quarantine is the best prevention until diagnosis. Trust the aco's and directors and , of course, your avian vets. I'm sure all peter wanted was a safe holiday home and didn't mean to cause any upset to anyone. Peter -please let us know if you find a safe place or not. Best wishes to all, and please remember - ultimately, we ALL care - which is why we are as passionate as we are, and why we all support birdline. |
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Sheila Downes
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| 30-12-2011 12:51 PM |
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I am happy to do the training anywhere anytime for ANY MEMBER!!! BUT when ever it happens there will always be someone who cant make it! It is informative and vital issues were passed on alternatively as I say in the training... EDUCATE YOURSELVES!! the internet is a mine of information USE IT! google everything you can about parrot keeping .. you will learn! no one can comment on these issues unless you KNOW about them. PLEASE if you cant make these sessions read about it! Birds are not like people and they have a different make up and things we know do not pertain to birds. As I said I am happy do to training session for members ACOs safehouses etc... just let us know you are interested and where you are, as some of our training sessions did not attract the members and ACOs and safehouses that we had hoped......... maybe if they had this sort of thing would not be an issse and people would not be doing this and causing panic whre it is not necessary as I can assure you there is now panic and it is unnecesary. People who atteneded will back me up on this ( I hope) and Helen any Birdline people with BL birds would have access to the members area... the public area is for non members. Hope this makes sense
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Sheila Downes
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| 30-12-2011 01:00 PM |
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For those of you who dont know testing for Chlamydiophilla is a FECAL test!! this takes 5 days of collecting fecal samples this then has to be tested on a PCR test , IF the bird IS shedding at that particular time. Testing for Chlamydiopilla cannot produce definative results in a 24 hour blood test that can only show raised or reduced blood level which can indicate ANYTHING!.NOTHING cn be positive for at least 10 to 15 days once the blood tests are sent in.
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Sheila Downes
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| 30-12-2011 01:02 PM |
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Helen The reason this is being posted on this thread is that somone is posting on face book that thier birds have psittacosis WHITOUT a prope rdiagnosis which has caused this issue. |
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Mel
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| 30-12-2011 01:23 PM |
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Yes Di, people are panicking without true fact.
Peter is doing the best for his bird and no-one would wish for more, and fully understand that anytime you holiday your bird with people who have birds, you are putting your bird at risk as we know some diseases lay dormant for many years in birds without symptoms. Do as Di and Sheila have said, please read as much info as you can.
My issue is the same Di people panicking people without true facts, all we wanted to do was to stop the panic and advise that these tests could not be possitive in 24 hours they need time to be sent off and time for fecal to be collected.
Yes quarantine is the only option when any bird is being tested for any contageous disease.
I agree with Sheila and Di, if you cannot attend these sessions, please when you have time read about diseases.
Please anyone who can attend the training, try, it will make you more aware and have understanding of the diseases out there.
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Helen W
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| 30-12-2011 01:40 PM |
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Posted By Sheila Downes on 30-12-2011 02:02 PM
Helen
The reason this is being posted on this thread is that somone is posting on face book that thier birds have psittacosis WHITOUT a prope rdiagnosis which has caused this issue.
Sheila,
The reason for my response is that, to those of us that don't/won't use Facebook, this looks like an aggressive response to a Registered User of the forum (not a BL Member) asking, quite reasonably, for an alternative holiday home. He has only taken as read the information he has been told and is caring for his own bird.
The responses of Directors/Management to the issues are available for all the public to read, hence my attempt to actually introduce some balance in the discussion. It is also the reason for my contradiction to Ann's comments regarding cancer - it sounds like a scare tactic.
However, I totally agree that we are all responsible for ensuring we have the necessary knowledge to care for our birds and I think the divergence of the topic to who is entitled to attend training days has distracted from the issue. |
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